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I bought a Stil fs 38 trimmer, followed all the directions on storage for the winter. The second spring it wouldn't start, needed a new carburator kit, third year it needed a second carburator kit,I had another problem later in the summer so a mechanic soaked the carb in gunk? i think and it ran but not smooth no high end rev and no idle, just kept stalling, so last summer I had a new carb kit put in AGAIN. The mechanic told me to put in stabilizer mixed with gas for the winter and it started first shot in June NOW IT'S DEAD AGAIN. Could I be cursed with a 2 stroke and buy a 4, I'm scared to buy another 2 stroke. These carb problems are just beyond belief!!! The reason I bought a stil was because my Ryobe was junk and "they" say Stil is one of the best.
 

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Welcome to the forum!:)

Sorry, I don't think I can help you much with the carborator problem, but I know there must be something seriously wrong that is causing this. Are you using the reccommended Stihl oil for the fuel mixture?? Are you sure you are using the correct 50:1 fuel ratio?? I have been using a Stihl 2-cycle trimmer for years and I don't think I'd ever buy any other brand. That's all I can help you with, but hopefully someone else here can help you solve the problem.
 

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I used to use Stihl oil but I bought castrol from my mechanic (small engine),he said it was fine,as for the gas mix I use 1 liter premium to 0.02 oil or 20 ml, by the book I think. I forgot to mention that after 3 weeks of not starting it decided to start yesterday but there was no idle and I couldn't rev the engine just managed to trim a bit till it ran out of gas, it wouldn't start after refueling. I have a feeling the carb is finished AGAIN. Anyone have any thoughts about a husqvarna of stihl 4 stroke? Thanks.
 

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... Could I be cursed with a 2 stroke and buy a 4, I'm scared to buy another 2 stroke. These carb problems are just beyond belief!!! The reason I bought a stil was because my Ryobe was junk and "they" say Stil is one of the best.
Might be the Ethanol in your fuel causing the problems. Some are switching over to special fuels for the small two strokes in trimmers and chain saws. From what I've heard it is not cheap though. Here's one example:

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Dead Stihl

Thanks for every one's replies, it officially dead, leaked 1/2 tank of gas in 3 days while not in use. I will not buy another stihl, I had a new carb kit last summer (3rd one) I always followed the manual BY THE BOOK. My mechanic told me to store it with stabilizer, started 1st pull after winter, but it's dead after about 2 1/2 liters of gas used. Also,the customer service at the dealer treated me like I was stupid. The first time I took it in it was under warranty but with a smirk on his face he said I didn't store it properly, sorry,warranty doesn't cover it, and they know you can't prove it.
 

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Sorry to hear about the troubles with your Stihl, it sounds very much like a lemmon from what you describe. It is a good quality brand, but like with anything, there is always that one in a million chance that you could get a lemmon and it's a shame your dealer wasn't as courteous and able to do more for you.

Hope you have better luck with your next purchase!
 

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Ethanol problems

Hi,I was going to buy a new trimmer BUT I gogled ethanol problems in small engines and apparently e10 in gas is causing havoc in small engines and even cars, lowering gas mileage etc. and the government in the U.S. will soon be allowing more. e15. Apparently it causes corrosion inside engines like the corrosion you find on a battery terminal and it damages CARBS and plastic components. I don't no anything about mechanics but if this "boutique" gas they call it, pure gas already mixed 50 or 40:1 whatever, is too expensive or not available in Canada (haven't checked it out yet) why bother getting a new one? The thing is I need one, I have an acre and a lot of it is brush that I wanted to clear with a blade attachement. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 

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Normally what I do if I know that the fuel in one of my machines is going to be sitting in there for a reasonable amount time is that I'll add some Sta-Bil to it. Never have had a problem with fuel going stale or gunking up carbs using it. Now of course you can't expect it to keep fuel fresh for a real lengthy amount time like say a year, but for the amount of time it's intended to keep fuel fresh for, it always seems to work great. Another option is to simply drain (and run) the fuel out each time back into the can and then put it into your vehicle's tank to burn it off real quick, assuming that the fuel was straight gas from a 4 cycle. Kind of a pain of course to have to buy a little gas each time you use the machine, I know, but at least you'd have the peace of mind knowing the fuel that you put in it is fresh and wouldn't have to worry about it going stale over time because you drain and run it out each time.

I suppose another option is a battery opperated electric trimmer.
 

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Efco trimmers

Thanks for your reply Austen, I saw an ad for a Efco trimmer, never heard of it, they back it up with a 5 year limited? warranty same as Echo unlike sthil 2 yrs. A company that will give 5 yrs must have confidence in their products, any thoughts? thanks.
 

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Thanks for your reply Austen, I saw an ad for a Efco trimmer, never heard of it, they back it up with a 5 year limited? warranty same as Echo unlike sthil 2 yrs. A company that will give 5 yrs must have confidence in their products, any thoughts? thanks.
I personally don't have any experience with their products, but a nice 5 year warranty is definitely a good selling point and something to consider. Here is a google search that I pulled up under "Efco trimmer reviews" Google. It'd be good to read some consumer reviews to see how their products hold up.

I browsed around on their website a bit and did not see a specific link that covered the warranty information, but I sent them a message asking to hear more about it ie; what it covers and doesn't cover.

I'll post their response once I recieve it.
 

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They sent me a PDF attachment of one of their Warrantee Certificates. Due to the lenghth of it, it would be a bit tedious putting it into a post, so I sent you a private message about sending it via email.

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On second thought...

EMAK USA warrants this product from the time of purchase to
repairs made necessary by dirt, abrasives, moisture, rust,
corrosion, fuel deposits, carbon deposits, oil deposits, or other
similar conditions.

DISCLAIMER OF CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGE AND
LIMITATION OF IMLIED WARRANTIES:
THIS WARRANTY IS IN LIEU OF ALL OTHER EXPRESS
WARRANTIES. EMAK USA DISCLAIMS ANY RESPONSIBILITY
FOR LOSS OF TIME OR USE OF THE PRODUCT, COMMERCIAL
LOSS, OR ANY OTHER INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL
DAMAGE. ANY IMPLIED WARRANTY OF FITNESS FOR
A PARTICULAR PURPOSE, MERCHANTABILITY OR
OTHERWISE, APPLICABLE TO THIS PRODUCT, SHALL BE
LIMITED IN DURATION TO THE DURATION OF THIS LIMITED
WARRANTY. Some states do not allow limitations on how long
an implied warranty lasts and/or do not allow the exclusion or
limitation of incidental or consequential damages, so the above
exclusions may not apply to you. This warranty gives you specific
legal rights. You may also have other rights, which vary from state
to state.

WHAT EMAK USA WILL REPAIR OR REPLACE UNDER
WARRANTY:
The warranty period begins on the date of purchase. EMAK USA,
acting through its authorized dealers, shall replace free of charge
any parts proven defective in material or workmanship. All parts
replaced under warranty will be considered as part of the original
product and any warranty on those parts will expire coincident
with the original product warranty.

TO OBTAIN WARRANTY SERVICE:
To make any claim under the warranty, proof of purchase of the
product in the form of the invoice or receipt showing the date of
purchase and product serial number must be presented to the
authorized dealer for warranty service.

EMISSION CONTROL SYSTEMS WARRANTY COVERAGE:
California and Federal Emission Control Systems - Warranty
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the California Air
Resources Board (CARB), and EMAK USA are pleased to explain
the Emission Control System Warranty on your model year 2006
or later nonroad or small off-road engine. In California, new small
off-road engines must be designed, built and equipped to meet the
state's stringent anti-smog standards. In other states, new 1997
and later model year nonroad engines must be designed, built and
equipped, at the time of sale, to meet the U.S. EPA regulations for
small nonroad engines. The nonroad engine must be free from
defects in materials and workmanship which cause it to fail to conform
with U.S. EPA standards
for the first two years of engine use
from the date of sale to the ultimate purchaser. EMAK USA must
warrant the emission control system on your nonroad or small offroad
engine for the period of time listed above provided there has
been no abuse, neglect, improper maintenance, or unapproved
modifications of your nonroad or small off-road engine.
Your emission control system may include parts such as the carburetor
or fuel injection system, the ignition system, the catalytic
converter. Also included may be hoses, belts, and connectors
and other emission related assemblies.
Where a warrantable condition exists, EMAK USA will repair your
nonroad or small off-road engine at no cost to you, including
diagnosis (if the diagnostic work is performed at an authorized
dealer), parts, and labour.

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LIMITED WARRANTY CERTIFICATE
be free from defects in material and workmanship under normal
use and maintenance, subject to the periods, limitations and
exclusions listed below.
WARRANTY PERIOD: USAGE​
PRODUCT RENTAL PROFESSIONAL
OR COMMERCIAL
PERSONAL AND
CONSUMER
Chainsaws and polesaws 3 months 2 years 5 years
Line trimmers / Brushcutters 3 months 2 years 5 years
Blowers (handheld & backpack) 3 months 2 years 5 years
Hedge Trimmer 3 months 2 years 5 years
Cut-Off Saw 3 months 3 months 3 months
Earth Auger 3 months 2 years 5 years
Stick Edger 3 months 2 years 5 years
The cost of the drive shaft and electronic ignition module and the
respective installation labor cost will be covered under the warranty
time period as defined above for all Efco line trimmers / brushcutters,
hedgetrimmer and chainsaws. The material cost only
of the drive shaft (excluding models 8270TR, 8271TR, PT2500
and PTX2500) and electronic ignition modules will be for the life
of the unit for the original purchaser except for rental use which
is 3 months. The labor costs for the installation of the electronic
ignition module and drive shaft after the warranty period defined
above will be the responsibility of the original purchaser.
SEE ATTACHED EMAK SPA FORM
Personal Use: Personal, non-institutional, and non-income producing
use.
Commercial Use: Business, commercial, institutional or
income producing use.
Rental Use: Rental income producing use.

EXCLUSIONS:
THIS WARRANTY DOES NOT EXTEND TO PARTS
AFFECTED OR DAMAGED BY ACCIDENT, NORMAL
WEAR, FUEL CONTAMINATION OR DETERIORATION, USE
IN AN APPLICATION FOR WHICH THE PRODUCT WAS
NOT DESIGNED OR ANY OTHER MISUSE, NEGLECT,
INCORPORATION OR USE OF UNSUITABLE ATTACHMENTS,
PARTS OR FUELS/LUBRICANTS/FLUIDS, UNAUTHORIZED
ALTERATION, IMPROPER MAINTENANCE/SERVICE,
IMPROPER OPERATION NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH
THE INSTRUCTION MANUAL, OR ANY CAUSES OTHER
THAN DEFECTS IN MATERIAL OR WORKMANSHIP OF THE
PRODUCT.

Additionally, this warranty does not apply to:
• parts and components not supplied by EMAK USA, and any
trade accessory or engine which is separately warranted by
another manufacturer and not manufactured by EMAK USA;
• items or service required when performing normal and regular
maintenance (e.g., valve adjustments, spark plugs, filters,
lubricants, starter cords, carburetor adjustments, engine tuneups,
sharpening, etc.);
• damage caused by pressure or steam cleaning the unit;

MANUFACTURER'S WARRANTY COVERAGE:
The 1995 and later small off road engines are warranted for two
years in California. In other states, 1997 and later model year
small off road engines are also warranted for two years. If any
emission-related part on your engine is defective, the part will be
repaired or replaced by Emak s.p.a. free of charge.
OWNER'S WARRANTY RESPONSIBILITIES:
a) As the small off road engine owner, you are responsible for
the performance of the
required maintenance listed in the
owner's manual.
Emak USA recommends that you retain all
receipts covering maintenance on you small off road engine,
but Emak USA cannot deny warranty solely for the lack of
receipts or for your failure to ensure the performance of all
scheduled maintenance. Any replacement part or service that
is equivalent in performance and durability may be used in
non-warranty maintenance or repairs, and shall not reduce the
warranty obligations of the engine manufacturer.
b) As the small off road engine owner, you should be aware,
however, that Emak s.p.a. may deny you warranty coverage
if your small off road engine or a part has failed due to abuse,
neglect, improper maintenance or unapproved modifications.
c) You are responsible for presenting your nonroad or small off
road engine to an authorized dealer as soon as a problem
exists. The warranty repairs should be completed in a reasonable
amount of time, not to exceed thirty (30) days.


COVERAGE
Emak s.p.a. warrants to the ultimate purchaser and each subsequent
purchaser that your small off road engine will be designed,
built and equipped, at the time of sale, to meet all applicable
regulations. Emak USA also warrants to the initial purchaser and
each subsequent purchaser that your small off road engine is
free from defects in materials and workmanship which cause the
engine to fail to conform with applicable regulations for a period
of two years.

The 1995 and later small off road engines are warranted for two
years in California. In all other states for 1997 and later model
years, EPA requires manufacturers to warrant small off road engines
for two years. These warranty periods will begin on the date
the small off road engine is purchased by the initial purchaser. If
any emission-related part on your engine is defective, the part will
be replaced by Emak USA at no cost to the owner.
Emak USA shall remedy warranty defects at any authorized
Emak s.p.a. engine dealer or warranty station. Any authorized
work done at an authorized dealer or warranty station shall be
free of charge to the owner if such work determines that a warranted
part is defective. Any manufacturer-approved or equivalent
replacement part may be used for any warranty maintenance or
repairs on emission-related parts, and must be provided free of
charge to the owner if the part is still under warranty. Emak USA
is liable for damages to other engine components caused by the
failure of a warranted part still under warranty.

The California Air Resources Board's Emission Warranty Parts
List specifically defines the
emission-related warranted parts

(EPA's regulations do not include a parts list, but EPA considers
emission-related warranted parts to include all the parts listed
below). These warranted parts are:
the carburetor assy, coil
assy, rotor, spark plug, air filter, fuel filter, intake manifold, the
gaskets and catalytic converter (if fitted with your model).
MAINTENANCE REQUIREMENTS:

The owner is responsible for the performance of the required
maintenance as defined by the Emak s.p.a. in the owner's
manual.

LIMITATIONS:
This Emission Control Systems Warranty shall not cover any of
the following:
a) repair or replacement required because of misuse of neglect,
lack of required maintenance, repairs improperly performed or
replacements not conforming to Emak USA specifications that
adversely affect performance and/or durability, and alterations
or modifications not recommended or approved in writing by
Emak USA.
b) replacement of parts and other services and adjustments
necessary for required maintenance at and after this first scheduled
replacement point.
The information included in this page is in addition to the
content of the operator's instruction manual.

State and Local Requirements
This engine is
NOT equipped with a Spark Arrester System
complying with the requirements of SAE Recommended Practice
J335 and California Codes 4442 and 4443.
All national forest
land and land managed by the states of California, Maine,
Washington, Idaho, Minnesota, New Jersey and Oregon require
internal combustion engines to be equipped with a spark
arrester screen by law. Other states and federal agencies are
enacting similar regulations.

Operating this engine in a state or locale where such regulations
exist, could resulting a violation of a law.
Note: When using this machine for logging purposes, refer to
Code of Federal Regulations, Parts 1910 and 1928.
Use of fuel with alcohol
CAUTION: Never use a fuel with an alcohol percentage
higher than 10%; gasohol up to 10% alcohol or E10 fuel
are acceptable.
When using an Oxygenated Gasoline a good practice of Fuel
Management is necessary.
Gasoline Oxygenated with alcohol readily takes/up water when it
is present; the water may be condensed out of humid air or be a
contaminant in the fuel system, including tank.
CAUTION:
- Match your fuel purchases to your consumption; don't buy
more than you will use in one or two months;
- Store gasoline in a tightly-closed container in a cool, dry
place.
The use of Oxygenated Gasoline may cause the occurrence of
vapor-lock easier.
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Im starting to think trimmers are disposable. Buy new every spring and toss out in the fall. I have Ryobi, mostly cuz of all the attachments. Think now Stihl has that same thing. New Ryobi head unit is 75 bucks. Is it worth spending 75 bucks every spring? I dont know. I do know that I havent gotten angry once this year at my trimmer and it doesnt take as long to trim my yard.
 

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Perhaps you should not be investing in carb kits. Stihl has lowered the price on their Carbs so it can be replaced and sometimes the carb superceds to a different one that may have issues resolved. Also, if the welch plug has come out in the carb, you need to replace the carb anyway. The chance of getting a new welch plug back in and staying in right is difficult even for the pros and if the wrong kind of adhesive is used it will keep coming out. Another thing you can possibly due is buy the fuel/gas mix that is already to go, Stihls version is called motomix. There is no ethanol in that gas.
 
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