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Looking to Purchase a ZTR looking for Expert Knowledge

I am looking to replace my Husqvarna Garden Tractor with a zero turn, I have hilly conditions but have had a loaner the past week and can get most of the 3 acres.

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Husqvarna(M-ZT52), Simplicity(Champion XT), Bad Boy(Maverick) or Dixie Chopper(Magnum HP)... I like the idea of a Kawasaki engine but could be convinced out of it, just know that most the commercial guys around here use Kawasaki...

My real question is with the hills what should be my minimum configuration with regards to transmission? The tractors I am looking at range from Hydro Gear 3100, 3200 or 3400... Is it worth it to bump up to 5400?

Also is it important that the spindles be greasable cast iron?

Are any of the above mentioned tractors better on hills than others? or do you have another ZT in this range I should be looking at?

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I don't know as far as models in terms of pumps, what I do know is if you have hills you will want pumps designed for torque rather than speed, also I would highly recommend getting a ROPS (Roll-Over Protection System).

Spindles can be sealed or greasable bearing, to my understanding you can replace spun bearings in a cast iron spindle but with aluminum you'll replace the spindle... Aluminum is cheaper than cast iron but nothing is cheaper than the bearings themselves, depends how much of a diy'er you are, however it is not unusual to get 100's of hours out of one set of bearings.

What is important as well is following the maintenance intervals as outlined in the manual. I would recommend, when you first get the mower home, go over the entire machine with that manual in hand, and check over everything. It is unfortunate but nowadays manufacturers and dealers frequently overlook important specifications (nuts that are loose, spindles that didn't get enough grease, an upside down blade, the list goes on), going over the machine yourself allows you to enjoy longer trouble-free mowing and will allow you to familiarize yourself with it.

You might, in time, consider the purchase of aggressively treaded ATV tires for the rear.

Happy days, I love my Dixie Chopper Flatlander
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Curious what way you went on this, as I just picked up a new M-TZ 52.


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Curious what way you went on this, as I just picked up a new M-TZ 52.


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This started out to be a good thread. I'm at the same point as the OP, starting to shop for a reasonably small ZTR. I don't like the idea of "unserviceable" hydrostatic boxes though. I've worked on small swash plate pumps before, and I'm thinking clean fluid is really important. That may drive my selection of mower. Any preference between Tuff Torq and HydroGear as manufacturer? It looks like they both make a range of hydrostatic transmissions, starting with "unserviceable" units.
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This started out to be a good thread. I'm at the same point as the OP, starting to shop for a reasonably small ZTR. I don't like the idea of "unserviceable" hydrostatic boxes though. I've worked on small swash plate pumps before, and I'm thinking clean fluid is really important. That may drive my selection of mower. Any preference between Tuff Torq and HydroGear as manufacturer? It looks like they both make a range of hydrostatic transmissions, starting with "unserviceable" units.


I chose my unit specifically for its "serviceability". I found the M-ZT 52 to be the right choice for me. Perfect placement in the what I needed/price/package. Every part is serviceable (including the hydros), has the Kawi I've been wanting, and is very well built.


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Hydro Gear vs Tuff Torq specs

Trying to contribute a little here, I summarized the specs on Tuff Torq and Hydro Gear's hydrostatic drives.

Most of the Hydro Gear systems are two separate units, with a separate gearbox at each wheel. Only their lightest gearboxes don't have external filter and reservoir. Their website is well organized and easy to drill down to technical information.

Most of Tuff Torq's systems seem to be combined units with one big gearbox, and an axle sticking out each side. Only their largest gearboxes have external filters or reservoirs. Their website is particularly frustrating with missing information, tabulated spec blocks filled with question marks! You must do a google search to get back into the site to find technical information. Their "series" names don't cross over to their "model numbers" so you have to keep popping out to google to decipher were they have information hidden on their site. (i.e. K66 falls under the "Ox" series, but you can't figure that out using the Tuff Torq website search function.)

The list is a little messy but maybe it will be helpful to someone besides me.
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Hydrostatic Transmissions

Hydro Gear

Single Axle output (one wheel)
EZT aka ZT2200
215ftlb 7 mph 19.2:1 ratio 900lbs gross weight
1 inch axles
7 inch fan
“self contained fluid supply, internal filter”
1.75 quarts
remove and turn it upside down to drain

ZT-1800 “most compact”

ZT-2800 ZH, ZK, ZL, ZM models
ZH 20.7:1, 300 ft lb, 8 mph, 1000lb gross weight,
1 inch axle, 2quarts, external filter

Two axle output (two wheels)
T1 3/4 axle, 25.3:1, 85 ft lb (160 intermittent),
T2 3/4 axle 20.63:1, 105 ft lb (195 intermittent)
T3-HD 3/4 axle 24.3:1, 140 ft lb (230 intermittent)
GT-730
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Tuff Torque

Strider
K46
3/4 dia axle
Remove and invert to drain oil
Internal “filter”
Dual axle output
21.5:1 or 28:1
171 ftlb or 131 ftlb

Strider LT
TL-200
dual axle
21.5:1
178 ftlb
3/4 dia axle

Strider HD
K57
dual axle
21:1 up to 32:1
133 up to 188 ft lb
3/4 dia axle

Strider XT
K58
dual axle
31.1:1, 294 ftlb
1 inch axle FINALLY

OX series
K72
Reservoir!!
23.4:1, 1 inch axle
dual axle

OX YTX = K66
22:1 or 37:1
250 or 420 ft lb
Optional external filter
external reservoir

OX HD
K92
28:1
882 ft;b
1 1/8 axle
dual axle
automotive style filter
uses real hydraulic oil
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I might be wrong, but I think all those Tuff Torq models you have listed are tractor models. The TT zero turn trannies are the Viper, Python and Adder models. Just FYI for reference.
http://www.tufftorq.com/products/lawn-garden/zero-turn/
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I might be wrong, but I think all those Tuff Torq models you have listed are tractor models. The TT zero turn trannies are the Viper, Python and Adder models. Just FYI for reference.
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You're exactly right! It makes more sense now (after you've explained it for me!). I need to tidy up my list.
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